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Post by gar on Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:44 pm

vincejustvince wrote:Does anyone even like these figures? Nobody would buy mine! I don't even see anyone else selling theirs! No wonder the new one is pre-made, I don't think they are that popular.

I like this one.
And really would love to have it.

In general Robots aren't popular.

This one has a couple of benefits over the previous one:
- Dark and grimy
- Nice camouflage patern.
- Nice dark pouches (which look better than the pouches on Civic Defence Mule, don't know if it's because of the used material, color or weathering)
- Nice weathering pretty much on par with Caesar 1.5 Beagle (as far as I could see) Which brings us to:
- Nice addition to its insanely cool larger brother: Caesar 1.5 Beagle.
- Two magic words: LTD and Pre-made.


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Post by zzzzz on Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:05 pm

gar wrote:
I like this one.

Me too.

Couple of questions:

C Rothichild - What is the meaning of that "C", and what is the extra "i" doing there? Is it just a typo?

REV = Range-extended vehicle? (This was probably discussed in earlier Forum... those braincells are destroyed)

HS/R? = HERBERT&SPENCER / Rothchild ?
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Post by gar on Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:50 pm

No idea.

I asume Rothichild is a typo.


No clue about the C, maybe Custom Rothchild
REV 3 maybe Revision 3?
HS/R obviously Herbert & Spencer / Rothchild

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Post by illproxy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:13 am

i cant understand why it doesnt have a huge load on it, just a couple bags and a rolled up blanket? stuff that doesnt appear to be anything a grunt couldnt carry. if its purpose it to be a mule then why not illustrate that with a huge amount of load on it or a gun turret on top or by dragging a sled loaded down with lots more bags and ammo drums.. just seems so odd to me like an idea that wasnt fleshed out. but then again its like a mechanic with a tool box and ONE wrench i guess.

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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:30 am

gar wrote:
I like this one.
And really would love to have it.

In general Robots aren't popular.

This one has a couple of benefits over the previous one:
- Dark and grimy
- Nice camouflage patern.
- Nice dark pouches (which look better than the pouches on Civic Defence Mule, don't know if it's because of the used material, color or weathering)
- Nice weathering pretty much on par with Caesar 1.5 Beagle (as far as I could see) Which brings us to:
- Nice addition to its insanely cool larger brother: Caesar 1.5 Beagle.
- Two magic words: LTD and Pre-made.
You're right! This release must be appealing if you have the Beagle Caesar 1.5 and Night Fixer Jenkins to match!

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Post by Grish on Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:35 am

I like it but I have nothing that matches it so I'll probably not get it.
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Post by gundamben831 on Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:39 am

I have the retail mechanic (Jenkins) and the Battlechild set its part of the reason why I am a little peeved about it being a limited pre-made drop at which who even knows when this will drop.
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Post by Argentix on Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:23 am

gar wrote:
vincejustvince wrote:Does anyone even like these figures? Nobody would buy mine! I don't even see anyone else selling theirs! No wonder the new one is pre-made, I don't think they are that popular.

In general Robots aren't popular.

What's this supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure robots are what launched 3A and gave them the press to make it big with licenses and sponsors. I've yet to see a company come to 3A to commission anything that isn't either a robot, or very robot-like, so I have a hard time believing they don't sell.
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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:19 pm

The large robots are a break even affair at the best of times!

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Post by gar on Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:18 pm

Argentix wrote:What's this supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure robots are what launched 3A and gave them the press to make it big with licenses and sponsors. I've yet to see a company come to 3A to commission anything that isn't either a robot, or very robot-like, so I have a hard time believing they don't sell.

Agreed but
If you make something awesome and the majority of your release in the first 1.5 years of your company history are based on it, it doesn't mean it sells great.

When the original Bertie the Pipebomb was released (not a 3A toy) I thought the 2x 500 made would sell out in no time.
So I scrambled to order them. Turned out more than a year or so later Klim Kozinevich of Bigshot Toyworks still had them for sale for US$250 each (I think)

IDW SDCC2008 exclusive ZvR Warbot Bertie was limited to 100 pieces.
I was very happy when I heard they weren't completely sold out during SDCC so I ordered one from their site when they put them up.
US$350 + US$47 shipping costs was a big pill to swallow, but still.
A month after it went up, on Sept 8, 2008, they even threw in free shipping to clear the last of them. Took a while. (If I remember correctly until the end of the year but don't pin me on it)

Deep Powder Bramble Mk2 went on sale on October first, 2008.
200 pieces US$250 including shipping. 10 days later threeA told they finally sold out.
On the 22nd Ashley mentioned he culled the unpaid Brambles.

Euro Bramble was put on sale a day early since Ashley tried to test the 3AA discount system.
People could order a 4 pack and be assured to get an all black Night Watch Bramble.
A rather large amount of these 4 packs ended up at a Hong Kong based reseller. Since some of those who ordered them didn't pay.

The only 0G Armstrong which actually sold it's intended edition size on Bambaland was White Engineer limited to 20x 3AA / 20x regular sales
Even I was able to score one with my shitty 3MB connection...
Both Lunar Camo and Shadow Guard stayed far from the intended edition size of 250 each.
Sideshow Exclusive Suicide Club did pretty well and sold all 50.

The 1G's did better.

Since then we saw some great robot releases.
But there's a reason threeA went from a couple of colorways to 15 and more per release: To push as many robots out as possible.
Still, Harold SF saw some of the most limited colour way releases ever. (less than the 40 White Engineers).
I think some Mighty Squares came out even lower.

There is a reason threeA shifted to Tomorrow Kings and Pascha which do pretty well.
1:6 human characters are a lot more popular than robots and easier to sell because most of the time they're about half the price of a single robot and take up about a 4th of the space.

It's what vincejustvince said.
Except maybe "at the best of times" should be "most of the time".

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look at the secondary market.
Not that many WWR robots are offered.
Or bought.
A WWR Euro Bramble MK2 from 2009 doesn't sell. Even if the price isn't insane.

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Post by Kedao on Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:57 pm

just keep making robot that ppl like least. That will boost the sales.....

Lots of ppl hoping for 3AGO JDF bertie to be available for bambaland,.....nope.
Make it exclusive. 3A giving us super clean night and day bertie instead. Perfect!
Wonder how many ppl felt in love with threeA cos their super clean robots.......
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Post by gar on Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:24 pm

Kedao wrote:just keep making robot that ppl like least. That will boost the sales.....

Lots of ppl hoping for 3AGO JDF bertie to be available for bambaland,.....nope.
Make it exclusive. 3A giving us super clean night and day bertie instead. Perfect!
Wonder how many ppl felt in love with threeA cos their super clean robots.......

JDF is a Japan Venture Exclusive.
I don't know if there will be a Bambaland allotment as well.
Usually such a sale is about the same time of an event.
Not weeks before (why bother to go to a show if you already can buy it online)

I doubt the number of people who are happy with the (clean) Night Watch and Day Watch colorways currently offered on Bambaland are that much smaller than the "lots" of people who are hoping for a 3AGO JDF Bertie on Bambaland.
If all people who said they wanted some desirable thing to be available also bought that desirable thing when it came available threeA's history of sold toys and business decisions would be a lot different.
I think the actual numbers might be disappointing.
Wanting and doing are two different things.

That being said.
Pretty sure we see more 3AGO Berties on a later date.
This is a special Force Friday Sale.
These aren't the robots you're looking for.
Fine.
Move along.


Sorry for derailing this thread even further.

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Post by Kedao on Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:36 pm

gar wrote:
JDF is a Japan Venture Exclusive.

Wasn't ash himself that mentioned JDF colorways doesn't have to be Japan exclusive?
But then again Ash's words doesn't mean anything.

With birdcage civic defense, man....barely see anyone even post a picture of it.
Don't think it will be much different with this guy. It looks like half finished robot.
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Post by Dar Wolfram on Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:52 pm

gar wrote:Agreed but ...

I actually appreciated your 'derailment' because it provided some cool info for those of us not around in the very beginning and I thought it quite interesting and informative.

Could it be possible the slow sales of the original pipebomb bertie had something to do with it being more a static figure/statue than an actual poseable/interactive toy/figure?
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Post by Dar Wolfram on Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:58 pm

Kedao wrote:With birdcage civic defense, man....barely see anyone even post a picture of it.

Have the Civic Defense figures shipped? I didn't order any but also don't recall seeing any pics but was curious about how they'd look in hand. A lot of the guys who take and share photos can make any figure look good.
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Post by counterfeit on Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:04 pm

About Pipebomb bertie, I think it's just because $250 at that time is very high amount of money (nowadays I think $150-$250 are standard amount with HT figure usually around $200-250 now, compare with their price 6 -7 years ago only $100-$130), and they see "weird" shape of robot, they reluctant to spend $250 on Pipebomb bertie.
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Re: Mule Rev 3 [Birdcage]

Post by gar on Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:07 pm

Dar Wolfram wrote:
gar wrote:Agreed but ...

I actually appreciated your 'derailment' because it provided some cool info for those of us not around in the very beginning and I thought it quite interesting and informative.

Could it be possible the slow sales of the original pipebomb bertie had something to do with it being more a static figure/statue than an actual poseable/interactive toy/figure?

I don't know if it was a slow sale.
Clearing out 1000 US$330 robots of a new designer toy artist can take some time.

The fact it took so long to sell only 100 ZvR robots which actually had a couple of stories instead of one book with artwork and short field notes. (WWR Volume 1) is a bigger surprise I think.

And the fact the awesome original Bramble Mk2s have a production number of about 400 robots, maybe 50 more because of the Night Watch Bramble and despite this low numbers never saw an extra release.

Maybe the late 13th Cavalry Commander Bramble MK2 was a test case to see if there's a demand.
I don't know.

Robots are hard to sell.
Despite what people say.

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Dar Wolfram wrote:
Kedao wrote:With birdcage civic defense, man....barely see anyone even post a picture of it.

Have the Civic Defense figures shipped? I didn't order any but also don't recall seeing any pics but was curious about how they'd look in hand. A lot of the guys who take and share photos can make any figure look good.

Birdcage has shipped as far as I know.
I have seen a couple of pics.
But I think it didn't sell too well.

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Post by Dar Wolfram on Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:38 pm

Thanks Gar. I completely neglected to take into account the respective costs (as reiterated by counterfeit's post above) which, at that time, would have seemed much higher than they do now.

Maybe our reluctance to believe/accept that robots are hard sell is because so many of us discovered ThreeA because of them and it's hard to comprehend something we love so much doesn't reap the financial rewards for the company. Consistently when someone visiting me at home sees my collection they will comment and ask about the cool- and/or strange-looking action figures/dolls but they are always blown away by the robots.
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Post by soulburn on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:37 pm

gar wrote:
look at the secondary market.
Not that many WWR robots are offered.
Or bought.
A WWR Euro Bramble MK2 from 2009 doesn't sell. Even if the price isn't insane.

I think that may have more to do with the prices. The robots were pretty hot on the secondary market 3 years ago, and people are still asking those prices for the bots, even though the market has now cooled down. I do sell some toys aftermarket when I get a toy that doesn't live up to my expectations, and I've never had trouble selling any of them, but I ask for market price, since I'm not looking to make tons of money.

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Post by soulburn on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:41 pm

Kedao wrote:With birdcage civic defense, man....barely see anyone even post a picture of it.
Don't think it will be much different with this guy. It looks like half finished robot.

I also noticed that there's barely any pictures, which may have meant low sales. I want to believe its because the colorway is kind of boring, but if this new one is limited premade, 3a may have decided that the reason was the bot design, and now are trying to drum up interest using scarcity, trying to get at least some return on the investment of making a new bot.

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Post by soulburn on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:44 pm

Dar Wolfram wrote:Could it be possible the slow sales of the original pipebomb bertie had something to do with it being more a static figure/statue than an actual poseable/interactive toy/figure?

I would assume its because of lack of advertising. 3a wasn't big and didn't have the following it has now. I saw the original pipebomb prototypes, thought they were cool and wanted to buy one, but it took me close to a year after it was released before I found out where I could purchase one when I stumbled onto the 3a blog. My reaction was "Hey, so they actually released that thing? I wish I had known"

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Post by soulburn on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:47 pm

gar wrote:Birdcage has shipped as far as I know.
I have seen a couple of pics.
But I think it didn't sell too well.

I've also noticed in general people don't post a lot of pics anymore to the forum, all pics go on people's facebook pages to disappear into the ether these days, which makes it even harder to tell popularity based on number of photos.

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Post by soulburn on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:50 pm

Sorry for bombing this thread, but there's a lot of important stuff being discussed here that I have many opinions on. I love the WWRs, and I am sorta sad now that they are getting very little love with 3A, I'm just not into the human figures much.

Of course, another part of me is happy because I don't have any room for new robots (my office has I believe close to 400 toys in it), every toy purchase for me now means a toy has to be sold to make room.

But still wish the WWRs were going strong. At their zenith a few years ago things were very exciting, and I will miss those times, they were a great period in my life.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:12 am

This is my last WWR figure and I will never open it! I became an MISB collector due to my anxiety. If I keep it sealed he will be perfect and beautiful forever just like in the promo pics! I am the proud owner of #88! That's a low enough number to appease me (anything less than 100 is good imo tbh) but if I see someone here has an even lower number than mine I will cry.


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Post by gar on Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:29 am

Box numbers...

Still love this one Smile



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