Ashley Wood ART General Discussion (Paintings , sketches, works)

Ashley Wood ART - Paintings , sketches, works

Information

ASHLEY WOOD STORE - Official site where you can buy works of Ashley Wood.

World Of Ashley Wood - News, annonces, photos of paintures

Art Blog of Ashley Wood'a - Old site of Ashley Wood

TK painture, 2014



Moment of taking digital copy of the painture

works of 2014

The Lake Bot



Bot Rider\No, Over There



works on the subject of foot

Several works sold in 2014



ANKOU JOHNSON ORIGINAL PAINTING 10"x10" on canvas





ANKOU VET ORIGINAL PAINTING 8"x8" on canvas





MEGA BERTIE DRAWING (A4 Marker, ink and tone)





SOY DOLPHIN ORIGINAL PAINTING 10"x10" on canvas





THIDDY TK ORIGINAL PAINTING 23"x15" on canvas

Painture for artbook Zombies Vs Robots



A painture on WWR , 2014




One of the new paintures 2015  (in the process)



Some works







sketches

Evol Rothchild, 2015

WWR , 2015

Let's keep the discussion about the art and not mention the prices please

Gregory, that's fine, just Art.  


Some sketches of 2015

Works of the beginning 2015

Zomb MD , very nice art of this character.

gregory wrote:Let's keep the discussion about the art and not mention the prices please

Why have this rule? Seems odd to me, it's not unreasonable or offensive to anyone to acknowledge that some pieces have been or are for sale?

mattyp wrote:

gregory wrote:Let's keep the discussion about the art and not mention the prices please

Why have this rule? Seems odd to me, it's not unreasonable or offensive to anyone to acknowledge that some pieces have been or are for sale?

yes, now that this forum is free, I say we have a democratic vote about the rules here. No more bullshit... If this is not negotiable, I think it's time for a forum not guided by 3A employees but by fans or at least a mix of both. Sorry nothing personal.

Always seemed strange even when the forum was official, makes no sense at all now.

mattyp wrote:Always seemed strange even when the forum was official, makes no sense at all now.

Ash funded the outpost so it were his rules to uphold, but now we need new rules, we need a majority of fans as admins/mods on these boards, to avoid gestapo shit like this. And I'm not minimalising the effort the employees have put in, it has been great but it's time to let go of the rules we don't approve...

fluppeco wrote:

mattyp wrote:Always seemed strange even when the forum was official, makes no sense at all now.

Ash funded the outpost so it were his rules to uphold, but now we need new rules, we need a majority of fans as admins/mods on these boards, to avoid gestapo shit like this. And I'm not minimalising the effort the employees have put in, it has been great but it's time to let go of the rules we don't approve...

Yeah, I realise that it was dictated by Ash, just always seemed strange that he should dictate that, like selling art for a living isn't what he does?

mattyp wrote:

fluppeco wrote:

mattyp wrote:Always seemed strange even when the forum was official, makes no sense at all now.

Ash funded the outpost so it were his rules to uphold, but now we need new rules, we need a majority of fans as admins/mods on these boards, to avoid gestapo shit like this. And I'm not minimalising the effort the employees have put in, it has been great but it's time to let go of the rules we don't approve...

Yeah, I realise that it was dictated by Ash, just always seemed strange that he should dictate that, like selling art for a living isn't what he does?

Maybe it's shame, or a way to mystify his market value, who knows what goes on in that beautiful mind

I'll pop in my .02¢, FWIW. I get this topic from both sides, and I'll try to explain it as best I can.

As a collector of art myself, I like to have an idea of what given works sell for. It helps me budget for when something comparable comes along, and it gives me a sense of where a given artist's market is currently hovering for adjusting insurance coverage on my collection, and for staying generally informed. In this respect, I do follow prices when things are posted in one of the various shops or at a dealer's site for sale. Not to mention keeping an eye on feeBay and the like.

The main reason it was a rule on the original board was because AW didn't want Buy/Sell/Trade items discussed. It didn't just apply to toys, though a great many people associated and value the board for toy talk only. In large part, the no sales talk on art was because it wasn't what Ash wanted the discussion of his work to be about.

Anyone that has ever talked with Ash about the whole professional influence and public appearance thing will tell you, AW doesn't like being filmed, photographed, etc. And he gets very tired of the discussion of what brush or pen he uses, and how to achieve a certain technique or look. What is important is the work. Not his face. Or how much money a piece is valued at. Or what brush pen he used on a certain piece. What matters to him is the work itself, and how it touches people.

Of course you can never have total control over these things, and like mattyp points out, the work was sold publicly at those prices. But it really isn't much different than talking about what the current value of a Noir de Plume is.

Ash is his own man, and can certainly answer the question for himself, but I know he also follows the art world, and in art sales, after a gallery takes down an exhibition/sale of a work, different galleries handle the old info differently. Some leave unsold pieces up for sale indefinitely. Some take the pieces down immediately, and sales prices can only be obtained by direct contact. Some don't ahve those pieces for sale any longer. But the long and short of it is, artwork fluctuates in value. What a given piece may have been offered for 6 years ago may have no basis in relevancy today. But this is a sideshow.

Personally I never had a problem on the old board with discussion of a particular piece at a particular time. If someone posted a piece and asked what it might have sold for, I'm pretty sure Ash wouldn't either, though I'd never presume to speak for him. BUT, I can think of a half dozen reasons why posting an entire series of older pieces all in a row, all with old prices, all cataloged at one time, willy nilly and with no rhyme or reason other than for the sake of sharing outdated pricing would be undesirable for an artist who continues to make and sell work.

It's a big gray area. And one that is easy to dismiss out of hand if one views art as a commodity as much as an experience, but I for one understand the practice, and why it is done. Not just by Ash, but tens of thousands of art dealers, and artists all over the world, and for centuries. I don't want to keep blabbing away on here about it and run this thread away from discussing AW's art, but if anyone wants to continue the discussion via email or messages so we don't eat up this space with another topic, I'm all for it.

This price discussion stuff has a tendency to overwhelm just about every art board I've ever been on at one point or another. There are many many art discussion sites that have devolved into something akin to reading stock market stats, and trying to read between the lines at futures values.

At the end of the day, AW felt (and I still wholeheartedly agreed), that it takes away from the talk about the pieces themselves. That is why it was done initially. Less out of overt secrecy, and more out of trying to keep the discussion on the important part.

If a price came up in polite conversation, I am sure it wouldn't be any big secret. Turning this section of the board into an outdated sales catalog muddies the waters over the rest of the board, on what is and isn't ok to discuss. And there was that pesky rule NO BST talk.



-e.

I dunno eric, I think Ash is a cannier business man than he presents to the world, with regards to the selling of both toys and art, I don't buy that the reasons for restricting discussion are entirely for ethical/philosophical reasons. Which is in no way a criticism of him, we all gotta make a living and as you say it is an entirely common practice. It doesn't benefit anybody to get bogged down in pages of price discussion but as a collector having historical values is of use, and as far as I'm concerned the only reason artists and galleries remove this kind of historical information is for obfuscation purposes.

I was about to respond and realize I'm falling into the exact price discussion nonsense that I actually believe robs the spirit of the thread.

Is it useful information? Sure, but it's knock-on effect of excluding it is not unlike the exclusion of no politics, no religion. People can view it as "gestapo" tactics if that makes them feel better, but having seen and lived the alternative many times over, I'll take the art discussion space without BST rules, over the money of art discussion one it invariably devolves into.

As for the rest, I'm happy to talk art and money elsewhere if you wanna hit me up. I think your take is understandably naive (and I'm sure you maybe think the same of mine), but I'd love a chance to explain why I see it the way I do. And it's not about overt obfuscation or manipulation at all. It is about general market practice, and one I daresay you rely on and subscribe to yourself, as we ALL do.



Done digressing...
-e.

Jeezes! We're talking about just putting some old prices to old pieces, there is no BST Talk around that. BST means people offering stuff and others buying it. I think money in relation to the art talk should be allowed, I am sorry Eric but I feel you're holding on to something that is just not there. The main point here is that this place is no longer by Ash & 3A but has become a place about Ash & 3A and as far as I am concerned anything should be open to discussion.

Ashley Wood Art discussion should be a discussion about the art itself. Who gives a shit what each piece costs. Ash doesn't sell much, but when he does, it's not that hard to find the pricing info. Do we really need to discuss the pricing afterwards?

Expresso Beans has a database for art and prices and edition sizes, originals, whatever. The attached forum and the community associated with the site are some of the worst people I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I don't want this place turning into that cesspool.

I give a shit how much each piece costs, I own Ash art, I'd like to own more Ash art, why would I not want to be informed and knowledgable about market values? I completely agree that having long discussions on it would be boring as hell, and I agree that a value obsessed bunch of fucktards like expressobeans is not what we want here. But equally I'd like to think we have a bit of respect for each other's intelligence and integrity in these threads and that sharing relevant information (which might include price) shouldn't be frowned on.

I own Ash art too. We've both been in the game long enough that I think we have a general idea on costs and values. I just don't have a need to discuss those things.

It's not uncommon for a new fan who wants to start collecting art to ask how much pieces are. That I get. You gotta start somewhere. But market values are so vague, it's really not worth the time or arguments that may arise. If you really want an appraisal for a piece you have, none of us knuckleheads can make that determination. Contact JLG and ask them.

When someone pops in a thread just to ask "How much was it?".....

fluppeco wrote:Jeezes! We're talking about just putting some old prices to old pieces, there is no BST Talk around that. BST means people offering stuff and others buying it.

No need to get the panties in a twist. You seem to be confusing my talking about what went on at the old board and why, with what should or could happen here.

I do disagree, in that I think talking valuations of sold pieces is another guise for discussion of commerce. In so far as the old forum went anyway. But it is about to close, and it doesn't matter from that side of things.

There are myriad reasons Ash wouldn't want pricing up on a board. I had discussions about it in private, and with complete eyes wide open. I know AW wanted the folks on his board to love art like he does, and talking art like he used to. He wasn't interested in the pricing at all.

As a person selling his wares I can see other reasons of course. Not the least of which is that I sure wouldn't want a bunch of MY old jobs I'd done posted up with the pricing for everyone to see in perpetuity. Not everything can be compared and contrasted in that way, but people do it anyway. I suspect he would feel the same, but you would have to ask him. There are countless reasons why, I wouldn't, not the least of which would be the pricing of work going forward and it's dampening impact psychologically. Dismiss it all you want, but talking prices is touchy and personal.

This place has yet to fully form, and as to the second part, about who runs barter town , I guess that still remains to be seen as details about this new board are firmed up. I was getting the feeling that this was going to continue to be run by 3A selected moderators, not necessarily Staff, but still a connection. And if that is the case, I would expect the same sort of approach with a bit of deference shown to the guy who's work the whole thing centers around, would be shown.  If things are more or less turned over into fan-only with moderators voted in or whatever, then who knows what will apply going forward at that point. I'm curious to see what is decided, and how that evolves.

I have been a part of a board in the past where the board declared itself independent and separated from the subject of discussion. It was a guitar board, and the small manufacturer in question used to do us all kinds of favors, and give us some cool inside dirt and exclusives. As soon as they started to request that certain things be left off the board, the board runners put their foot down and said no. The manufacturer didn't pitch a fit. They just never had anything to do with them again. The builder started an official board, and the indy board withered and died. I thought their requests were minor, and the official board never had the flavor of the original. I left both.

I am ok with compromise when I think it is of a minor thing. Everyone is different. That's totally how it should be. I quit being a mod at the old board when it felt like it was time to go. Dunno if I've ever said that publicly before, but I had my reasons.

I've often thought of starting an new art discussion board, independent of any ties, and with a broader spectrum of art topics that might appeal to those into the underground, illustration, street art  and comic art scenes. But then I've done the mod thing. I've run a couple other boards now. I see EB, I see Artchival, I am a part of the various comic art boards, and the underground art discussions, and frankly, I see too many headaches, and so little thoughtful art discussion. I have been a member of some closed membership boards and Facebook groups that have some lively discussions, but ones open to the general public with no moderation go sideways too fast. there are other methods of tracking art values FWIW. A good one for Ash's work is CAF's price history database. Yeah, ya gotta pay for the data tracking, it's not free. But it is there and a great value added service. I could see someone starting an independent board or blog dedicated to tracking art prices if they so desired. That would be interesting

I'm just rambling now for the sake of rambling. Whatever happens he, I plan on sticking it out to see how it shapes up. At least for a bit.

This pic really pissed me off

Can't much explain, when I saw it I found it disgusting. This Mix of apples and bertie is smth hard to see. I saw so many Ash's works, but I never felt this way about this one. I think this apple ruins this pic.